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China decries Dalai Lama's demands for autonomy
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The Dalai Lama has been a big inspiration to me, and many others, with many words of wisdom over the years. However, since posting this story, I have learned much more... and have started a project of research on this... There "are" two sides to every story, without a doubt... and historic records are our best verification.
BEIJING, Dec. 4, 2008 (Reuters) — China says there is no chance of embracing the Dalai Lama's demands for autonomy for Tibet, using the state media to condemn the exiled Buddhist leader's stance ahead of his meeting with French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
Two commentaries issued by the official Xinhua news agency on Thursday were the latest blast in Beijing's campaign against the Dalai Lama, who demands "high-level autonomy" for his mountain homeland, giving Tibetans self-rule under Chinese sovereignty.
December 4, 2008 at 02:57 am by Cypresso, 150 views, 9 comments
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at 03:10 on December 4th, 2008
World is full of conflict, if you pick weapon you ar terrorist, and if you adopt non-violence then nobody cares.Ideological conflict will destroy this world.
at 06:46 on December 4th, 2008
Treatment of the Tibents is just one more reason never to buy goods from China.
at 09:08 on December 4th, 2008
Like it or not, the truth is when the Chinese took over Tibet the population was grovelling in abject poverty, and the standard of living improved immediately as did the life expectancy, and the population grew. The feudal system was broken and Tibetans were finally allowed to hold land and set their own course rather than being chattel for the lamas.
Before China freed the citizens of Tibet they had been in the uncompromising grip of a brutal Theocracy under the Lamas for centuries. The Lamas and the rich landowners held the power of life and death over the serf slaves who were tortured, brutalized, starved, killed, bought sold and given away to others at the will of the tyrants who wore the same robes as the much vaunted Dalai Lama.
Their short brutal lives were imposed upon them by a system that denied them even the basic needs of life. They could not own land, they had no access to education, doctors or any of the other luxuries the elite lived with. They were required as slaves, to labour till they died to keep God's representatives living in the lap of luxury which the lamas most certainly did, and the ultimate lama, the one who lived in the grandest splendor while his servants coughed their ignominious lives out in diseased filth was the Dalai Lama, who was also the political head of state and thus had total control over his feifdom.
These men used a religious hokum of a spirit being reincarnated into a little child again and again,(not really a Buddhist belief at all but a local invention of men who created a way to hold power over the people in perpetuity), to cement their complete and totally ruthless control over a helpless population and each maintained a substantial police force and army to impose their crushing will on the hapless citizens. The Dalai Lama's armed forces were the largest and were used ruthlessly to impose his will even on errant lamas who were getting too big for their britches. Those slaves who disagreed even in speech were tortured and maimed as were their families and ultimately killed if they resisted the lamas will.
When the Chinese finally took over Tibet it was considered the most poverty stricken backward nation on the planet by Europeans and all who had visited. The country had not the slightest vestiges of the modern world that was growing around it.
The modern phenomenon of a gentle all loving man, good to the core, is just a carefully created myth fostered by the Dalai Lama who wants to be the ultimate ruler over a whole country and its people again, his legitimacy based on some foolish religious myth, and he has a very capable and serious propaganda and political organization built up globally to help him do just that.
The Dalai Lama did not become what we see today until necessity drove him to appeal to the rest of the world.
Finally, if you look at a map you will see that Tibet was, before the Lamas obviously a part of ancient China and when you look honestly at modern China and its dire need for what Tibet has you will know for certain that the Chinese will never, ever, ever give Tibet back to that religious autocrat to do with as he pleases.
Trying to pressure China into giving up Tibet is like trying to pressure the USA into giving Texas back to Mexico. It is a total waste of time, money and personal energy, a modern tilting at windmills that will change nothing. There are many considerably more pressing issues for humanity to devote its resources and attention to than whether the Dalai Lama get "his country" back from China, and we would be well served to get on with those life and death challenges post haste.
at 10:08 on December 4th, 2008
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
at 15:11 on December 4th, 2008
Thanks so much for this additional insight, Moon Wolf. I will have to do more research on this before I can say you are absolutely correct... I have not heard much of what you write about, however, I have not researched it in depth before...
This is an interesting link and perspectives:
Tibet and China: Two Distinct Views
at 10:58 on December 4th, 2008
Thanks Sara,
Many people who have bought into the myth so professionally and relentlessly sold in the west do not want to hear the facts, and are terribly offended by any suggestion that he was not and may still not be the wondrous egalitarian "peacemaker" he claims to be.
There is a lot more information out there for those who worship truth regardless of where it leads rather than the images and memes conveyed in a carefully crafted facile public relations campaign, conducted over decades, playing on the West's aversion to and ignorance of China. The information available about his current and past political and financial connections and affiliations is far less flattering.
at 13:40 on December 4th, 2008
Interesting debate over a highly emotional issue.
at 15:50 on December 4th, 2008
Regardless of any considerations of whether or not the Tibetan standard of living has improved after 1959, the fact remains that Tibetans have been forced from their homeland into exile and have witnessed from afar the destruction of their culture and heritage.
So it goes ... all things must pass away, so don't get attached to them, the Buddhists will tell us ...
However one might view the outcome, I think one might agree that the native American indians, for instance, must certainly appreciate how the Tibetans must feel today.
at 18:51 on December 4th, 2008
I AM Native American.. Cherokee/Choctaw and I agree.. thanks for bringing this up... and for the comment.