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Clinton Supporters claim Obama not a Natural Born Citizen, ineligible to be President
by politisite | July 24, 2008 at 06:06 am | 4043 views | 71 comments
Clinton Supporters claim Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen and was registered as a Muslim several times during his lifetime.
By Albert N. Milliron, Editor, Politisite.com
There is a group that continues to spread that John McCain is not a natural born citizen of the United States. His father was a military man and he was born in a hospital in Panama. Those who argue this point state that the Constitution states that eligibility to be the President of the United States requires that one be born in a U.S. State or territory.
Why most constitutional scholars have dismissed this argument as a previous presidential candidates were born under the same conditions. There are those who still push the McCain is not a natural Born citizen and is ineligible to be the President of the United States.
Now comes disgruntled Hillary Clinton supporters who have tacked sown the best that they can, Barack Obama's birth history. Some have pointed out that he may have a Kenya, US, and Indonesia citizenship. They argue that Obama may not have been born in Hawaii as reported. That the Birth Certificate posted by the Daily Kos is a fake and Obama was born outside of the United States. NowPublic Writer BMCWrites wrote an article specifically about the Obama Birth Ceritificate. Thus giving the Clinton Supporters and argument that since Obama is not a naturally born citizen, he too is not eligible to be the president. Therefore, Hillary, should be nominated as the Democratic presidential candidate.
If your head is beginning to spin, take some Dramamine as it might be awhile before this all stops. This group will continue and possibly files law suits up to and after the conventions. The following is an article that takes one step by step on the Obama not a naturalized citizen argument. You will notice that there are newspaper excerpts. They also make it a point that Obama was indeed registered as a Muslim at several occasions during his lifetime.
Based on all the research and analysis to date, here is what I believe today, not to be accepted as fact by anyone who wants to believe something else:
1. Barack Obama was likely born in Honolulu, the hospital still unknown for some reason (why won’t he say?), on Aug. 4, 1961. A birth announcement in the newspaper has been found by one of our researchers*. It looks like this:
Here’s the full-page wider angle:
2. Although this announcement suggests his parents were married, that’s still an open question. I still don’t know why Michelle Obama recently said that Ba rack's mother was “very single” when she had him.
3. Although it’s possible that a birth certificate filed by Ba rack's grandparents, while he was actually born elsewhere, led to this newspaper announcement, I personally think that’s unlikely because in 1961 these announcements came directly from the Vital Statistics Office as reported by local hospitals, according to the researcher who found this information.
4. His legal name at birth was Barack Hussein Obama II, and he acquired dual citizenship (Kenyan and US) at, or shortly after, birth.
5. His father didn’t stick around. On a related note, have you noticed that there are no photos of Obama as an infant?
6. His mother traveled from Honolulu to wherever Barack Sr. was because she genuinely believed that they were going to live together as a family. She chased her dream. On her way there, she passed through Mercer Island.
7. But realizing that Barack Sr. had moved on, Stanley Ann Dunham enrolled at the Univ. of Washington for the 1962 Spring Quarter. That turned out to be overwhelming, and she eventually returned to Honolulu and re-enrolled at UH, where she met her second husband, an Indonesian national.
8. Ba rack's mother Ann might have acquired Indonesian citizenship when she married Soetoro.
9. Barack Obama almost certainly acquired Indonesian citizenship because he likely was adopted by Soetoro.
10. Not only was Barack Obama officially an Indonesian citizen, he also was a registered “muslim.” Again, I don’t care whether he was or wasn’t, except that he proclaims on his website that he’s “always been Christian,” which I believe to be a false statement.
11. Barack Obama’s original birth certificate might contain something that embarrasses him, or something that could be problematic for him legally. I STILL think he needs to produce a hard copy of the original Birth Certificate, or it looks like he’s hiding something.
12. The COLB on Smears and Kos has likely been altered, as Techdude’s and Polarik’s studies show, but probably reflects Obama’s true birth certificate so it’s not clear how or why it was altered. The way the COLB was handled and its suspicious presentation could have been intended to serve as a diversion from the can of worms Obama doesn’t want anyone to open.
THAT can of worms is the eligibility problem a POTUS candidate faces if that person has EVER held dual citizenship.
Stay tuned…
[TD NOTE: Again, this reflects my beliefs, and any part of it could be wrong. If anyone has corrections or questions, please send them by leaving a comment]
*The birth announcement was tracked down by Lori Starfelt, the producer of a documentary that PUMA is working on. READ the comments below for in-depth explanations from Lori about the announcement.
(Opinion) The Politisite Bottom Line: I don't care if Senator Obama was called a Muslim on school papers. In some religions if the Man is a particular religion, the children are automatically assumed to hold the same faith. In the Jewish tradition, if the Mother is a Jew, then the Child is considered a Jew. Senator Obama claims to be a Christian, I will take him at his word. Being a Christian is much more then just a confession. Being a Christian requires action as well. I can take issue with him there. I won't take the RightWingNuts side here. I have no problem with a man of any faith becoming the President of the United States. I prefer one who carries the same values, and for the most part a Muslim has more in common with Christianity then any other religion. So to me the issue is Mute.
Whether Senator Obama's Parents or Parent falsified documents to make sure Obama could become a U.S. Citizen is out side of my ability to research. Documents are very volatile from the early 60s. It would do well for Obama to impress the media by coming out with photographs and family linage that would satisfy these arguments. There are arguments on both sides of the authenticity of the document. I will allow the experts to resolve this.
The issue I have if the document is false, and there is a family conspiracy to keep Senator Obama's birthplace silent, and if he perpetrates this conspiracy, he should be impeached before he has been elected. While I have empathy for those who wish to be American Citizens, I have no tolerance for illegally obtaining that status.
I have stated in other writings that Clinton Supporters are very much like the Clinton's themselves. They will do whatever it takes to get her election. I think this is one of those ploys.
References:
What is wrong with Barack Obama's Birth Certificate?
Barack Obama Birth Certificate Dubbed A Fake
Document forensics expert: Obama "birth certificate" a "horrible forgery"
Does this kill the Obama birth certificate myth?
The Buzz about Barack's Birth certificate
Obama’s Birth Certificate Rumors
Bring It On! OLD–Barack’s Patriotism NEW–Barack’s Citizenship
Obama, Jews & Newsweek: the MSNBC of mags
The Asininity of Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate
Barack Obama - Prove You Are A US Citizen
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July 24, 2008 at 06:06 am by politisite, 4043 views, 71 comments
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at 06:15 on July 24th, 2008
politisite, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 06:25 on July 24th, 2008
politisite, doesn't surprise me! Thanks for posting!
at 06:36 on July 24th, 2008
politisite, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 06:54 on July 24th, 2008
politisite, I like this story. It's good stuff.
Goodness, what next?? She is a sore loser!
at 07:12 on July 24th, 2008
Excellent, rounded, researched and presented post with a great conclusion. Thanks for sharing this.
at 07:16 on July 24th, 2008
Great job.
at 07:17 on July 24th, 2008
politisite, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 07:25 on July 24th, 2008
Excellent
at 07:58 on July 24th, 2008
politisite, I like this story. It's good stuff. Boy, thats a fly in the Political Ointment now isnt it? Though if I were American, I would not vote for Obama anyways, I do think Hillary Supporters slandering Obama are, well let's just safely state they are "Festering Pustules from the Nether Regions"
at 05:06 on July 26th, 2008
my nether regions are insulted. Take it back.
at 07:38 on July 24th, 2008
Obama spindoctors an webgeeks have been trying to bury these stories for months, long before Clinton supporters finally took the issues up. There are blogs from Indonesia verifying info about the schools there, and about what Barrack did there.
Also a concerned Christian Baptist preacher claims he did some research and found there was no record of Obama ever being baptised or having to be baptised. see his website for his official letter: Usama K. Dakdok, President of The Straight Way of Grace Ministry
'Spurious allegations', indeed.
As far as McCain, I believe there is a law that children born of military in valid US bases or installations are considered natural-born citizens.
at 07:40 on July 24th, 2008
But does it really matter where he was born or what religion he is?
at 08:34 on July 24th, 2008
The point is he has been deceptive about all this. It is taqqiya. What is that? Google it. It's on wikipedia and many others. Banned(?) YouTube video,
Even some Palestinians think he practices taqqiya. There is a link to the official 'media' site with this.
at 08:40 on July 24th, 2008
Maybe he did not know him self! It is possible! After all he does have to rely on what others tell him about the first 5 to 7 years of his life!
at 08:49 on July 24th, 2008
Thanks for the definition. I still don't understand why it should matter where he was born or what religion he is, Taqiyyah or no Taqiyyah.
Since when was any politician completely transparent? Doesn't it somewhat come with the territory?
at 08:53 on July 24th, 2008
I do not think it should matter either, nevertheless this is American Politics and it is a show and what ever may work will be used against once adversary! Mind you it is like that in most places around the globe!
at 08:36 on July 24th, 2008
Religion, no where he was born, yes. The Constitution in Article II, Section 1 lays out
Source: law.cornell.edu
In some state constitutions there is a requirement that one running for office must believe in a supreme being. In the present climate, I would expect that law would struck down if brought to litigation.
at 08:42 on July 24th, 2008
Well then if Obama can run for President so should Arnold as well! The terminator for President! I somehow like that! He is a Republican to and would have a much better chance than McCann!
at 08:47 on July 24th, 2008
here we go again with the posting issues
at 08:50 on July 24th, 2008
Can't constitutions be amended?
at 08:56 on July 24th, 2008
Yes, of course it can if they really want to do so! Imagine Clinton ending up President and they find out that the Vice President is not a Born American, I rather sure every thing would be done to amend the Constitution!
at 17:44 on July 24th, 2008
Johnny, The Constitution can be amended but with much dificulty. This preocess was made diffiuclt for good reason. It require Both Houses and the states to adopt the amendment. Had the framers not added difficulty to amending the constitution, I would be changed with every political whim and the document would lose its value.
Source: en.wikipedia.org
at 08:44 on July 24th, 2008
Religion, no where he was born, yes. The Constitution in Article II, Section 1 lays out
Source: law.cornell.edu
In some state constitutions there is a requirement that one running for office must believe in a supreme being. In the present climate, I would expect that law would struck down if brought to litigation.
at 15:56 on July 24th, 2008
230 years old, Crap that means I have to wait another 20 years for Bob Dole to take office, boy that sucks
at 07:46 on July 24th, 2008
CORRECTION: Also a concerned Christian Baptist preacher claims he did some research and found there was that no Muslim has to give up their religion to belong to Trinity and that there many Muslims in their congreagtion. see his website for his official letter: Usama K. Dakdok, President of The Straight Way of Grace Ministry
(sorry, couldn't correct/edit my comment above)
at 08:46 on July 24th, 2008
Thanks for the good info Rene. Rounds out the article well
at 09:02 on July 24th, 2008
You are quite correct. Right Wing Groups got on this thing about Obama's Birth certificate long before this group of Clinton supporters started looking into it as a method to unseat Obama from his presumptive nominee status. If this ploy worked, Hillary would be the only eligible candidate. The problem is time and evidence. The credentialling committee meets at the begining of the convention.
at 08:04 on July 24th, 2008
politisite, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 09:30 on July 24th, 2008
This whole thing is totally ridiculous.
at 09:34 on July 24th, 2008
Thank you!